The Tongva People

http://www.kcet.org/socal/departures/lariver/yangna/gabrieleno-tongva-mission-indians.html

 

Urban Toot is about Glendale, the lives, thoughts and perspectives of the people who live here. We thought it would be interesting to look as far back as possible to see who were the first people who lived in Glendale. These people were called the Tongva, they spoke that was part of a larger group called the Uto-Aztecan language of families and unfortunately the language has gone extinct.
The Tongva lived in what we now would refer to as Los Angeles but it appears that they made the San Gabriel Mountains their central point.  The name of the people has changed over history being called the Gabrielino or San Gabriel Band. The new name came because of the Mission San Gabriel Arcangel  which was established in 1771. This was not exactly a happy time in the history of the Tongva as that they were severely mistreated. The Spanish also confused the Tongva with another nearby group called the Tataviam and just started calling all the Indesious people Gabrieleño.
When the Mission of San Gabriel Arcangel was firmly created in 1771 The Tongva had a population of about 5,000, by the early 1900’s the Tongva culture was almost completely gone. While there are some records and historical artifacts, most of the Tongva language and culture had disappeared. However I do think it’s important to note that Loyloa Marymount University has archives of Tongva culture. It’s also of note that at this time there are about 1500 people who claim Tongva  or Gabreilino
as their tribe.
From what I read online that there is no one group that is recognized as the Tongva  (or Gabreilino) Nation. While the state of California does recognize the Tongva as a legitimate First Nation the Federal Government does not.
A few other random tidbits that I picked up:
  • The Tongva believed in a supreme being that brought order to the chaotic world by setting it upon the shoulders of seven giants made for that purpose.
  • To fail to show courage was the height of disgrace among the Tongva. Men would deliberately lie on top of red anthills and have handfuls of ants placed in their face as a demonstration of courage.
  • boys sought visions of their own special animal protector.
  • By the time the first American settlers arrival in the Los Angeles area in 1841, Tongva survivors were scattered and working at subsistence level on Mexican land grants. Disease further decimated the Tongva population.
You can read more about these very early first  people of Glendale at these Web Sites:
Steve O’Bryan is a resident of Glendale who loves where he lives. He runs Smack Smog Inc a Strategic Content company that helps Organizations reach their goals via the Internet and Social Media. He minored in History and likes to share what he’s learned. 

Comments

  1. To correct you on some important history you are teaching future generations. There was no Native tribe or people called tongva in the greater Los Angeles basin. The subject tongva is a Self-Designated word with a Self designated definition. The Native Inhabitants of the greater Los Angeles Basin were called the “KIZH” . The are the people of the willow branch tule and brush houses, KIZH means houses. The KIZH village where the San Gabriel Mission stands today was called ” Toviscangna” Not tongva . Toviscangna was misinterpreted in 1903 during a recording when Miriam Hart when he was giving the KIZH Village name Toviscangna and wrote only what he heard tongva. Now some of Mirriam Harts recordings are Conside
    red Inaccurate. About 1769 during the construction of the first mission San Gabriel in the Spanish called the. In the area what is now Whittier Narrows South El monte, the Spanish Called the Natives of the area ” Kicherenos” people of the Brush houses. Do to the Flood that wiped out the first Constructed Mission built of willow branch tule and brush. The Spanish moved to higher ground to Toviscangna now San Gabriel where after completion of the San Gabriel Mission the Native then were giving the name Gabrieleno named after the Mission San Gabriel. Thank you Andrew Tautimez Salas For more info please go to http://www.gabrielenoindians.org

  2. Even on here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongva_people it will tell you tongva is self designated. Read it

  3. Sorry about the first comment :To correct you on some important history you are teaching future generations. There was no Native tribe or people called tongva in the greater Los Angeles basin. The subject tongva is a Self-Designated word with a Self designated definition and has been increasingly used since the 1990s . The Native Inhabitants of the greater Los Angeles Basin were called the “KIZH” People of the willow branch tule and brush houses, KIZH means houses. The KIZH village where the San Gabriel Mission stands today was called ” Toviscangna” Not tongva . The subject tongva was recorded in 1903 during a recording by historian Miriam Hart when he was giving the KIZH Village name Toviscangna and wrote only what he heard tongva. Now some of Mirriam Harts recordings are considered Inaccurate. About 1769 during the construction of the first mission San Gabriel In the area what is now Whittier Narrows South El monte, the Spanish Called the Natives of the area ” Kicherenos” people of the Brush houses. Do to the Flood that wiped out the first Constructed Mission built of willow branch tule and brush. The Spanish moved to higher ground to Toviscangna now known as San Gabriel then after completion of the San Gabriel Mission the Natives were changed of their name again and giving the name Gabrieleno named after the San Gabriel Mission. Thank you Andrew Tautimez Salas For more info please go to http://www.gabrielenoindians.org

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  4. Hey Mr Salas! Thanks for the information. It really sounds like you know your stuff and thats awesome! I’d encourage everyone to learn more about this important topic. Apologies for any inaccurate information that may have been written. It’s important to not only learn about one’s own history but also the history of where you live!

  5. Thank You Theof

    • I Mr OBryan am “very interested “in sharing documents that are truthful and factual. I hope the other individual Sky eagle can do the same. The true identity of my people must be known and for one respected , no more will they disrespect us by using false identities or tribal names such as tongva to identify my ansestors, the first inhabitants of the Los Angeles Basin. And to say that one has the right to call themselves what ever they want is really disrespectful especially when you are referring to ones direct ancestry or ones Native Nation who already had a name for themselves such as “Kizh ( Kitc) people of the willow brush houses “. If you are going to teach future generations the truth of ones ancestry please make sure your truthful, factual and respectful. Chairman Andrew Salas ( great great x 4 grandson of thee Nicolas Jose ,Kizh Nation and I can prove it !!!!!!

  6. The following link is the resolution of the State of California Recognizing the “Gabrieleno” Not the tongva

    http://legix.info/us-ca/measures;1993-94;ajr0096

  7. S.G. Tongva says:

    This is for Andy salas
    I,ve read your blogsand you no what?your wrong man,big times rong.i read this book caled “the first Angelenos”. I saw this part about the kicherenos as a people in the montebello area.you know what , it was jus
    That area of LA that they called themselves that! No wherelse,dude you need to apologize to the poor Tongva people cause your lying!

  8. Folks. Urban Toot isn’t doing as much as it once did due to economics and other real life situations. We started Urban Toot as a way to communicate amongst the community. When I wrote this article I had no idea that it would bring out such a response from people. While I really admire the culture of indigenous peoples, and I appreciate the pride that is felt from your history and culture I have to ask everyone to communicate in a respectful and tasteful manner. Thank you for not using profanity but calling people with other view points “stupid” and or “idiots.” Please feel free to disagree with each other but do it in a tasteful and respectful manner that demonstrates the need for the world to learn more about your culture and history. I’ve not allowed some posts because they didn’t fall within the culture of basic respect. Make your point, disagree but please don’t call people liars and other such names. Otherwise I’ll have to pull your comments. The world should get to know your history but by doing so they should see the best part of your culture, not the worst. Oh and just to be clear, I’m talking to EVERYBODY, you know who you are!

  9. Hello my brother or sister: Thank you for responding to my statement. With all do respect I believe it is us that should get an apology for the continuing distortion of our History, the direct descendant of the Native indigenous people of the Los Angeles Basin Kizh (Kitc) Nation. I do want to say the McCawley book, “The First Angelinos” you are referring to is a very good book and has lots of good information. A lot of that information were old recordings of my direct family from the early years my great grandfathers and grandmothers. You have stated that you read a section in the McCawley book where it states that the Kichireños were known to have lived around the Whittier Narrows area. That is correct because during the time of the Spanish Mission era my people first came in to contact with Spanish Europeans at that location in the Whittier Narrows area. Although the Spanish were coming and going early on (village of Istankangna ) this was the preferred location to build the first San Gabriel mission. When my people introduced themselves they introduced themselves as the Kitc or Kizh people,” people of the willow brush houses”. So the Spanish gave us at that time and place the name Kichireños which also meant people of the brush houses. Because my people became slaves to these Europeans and were forced to built the first mission in that location which again was made of willow, tule and brush, and later washed away due to a major flood. The Spanish then moved us to higher land area to another Kizh village called, Tovisvangna now known as San Gabriel to again construct what is now the San Gabriel Mission. After completion my ansestors, who were first known as Kitc or Kizh also Kichireños, were now given a new identity named Gabrieleño in honor of the San Gabriel mission. Not once did they call us “tongva”. This is the true and fact history of of the Kizh Gabrieleno. Thank you Chairman Andrew Salas Kizh Nation

  10. This is for SG Tongva: Thank you for responding to my statement. With all do respect I believe it is us that should get an apology for the continuing distortion of our History, the direct descendant of the Native indigenous people of the Los Angeles Basin Kizh (Kitc) Nation. I do want to say the McCawley book, “The First Angelinos” you are referring to is a very good book and has lots of good information. A lot of that information were old recordings of my direct family from the early years my great grandfathers and grandmothers. You have stated that you read a section in the McCawley book where it states that the Kichireños were known to have lived around the Whittier Narrows area. That is correct because during the time of the Spanish Mission era my people first came in to contact with Spanish Europeans at that location in the Whittier Narrows area. Although the Spanish were coming and going early on (village of Istankangna ) this was the preferred location to build the first San Gabriel mission. When my people introduced themselves they introduced themselves as the Kitc or Kizh people,” people of the willow brush houses”. So the Spanish gave us at that time and place the name Kichireños which also meant people of the brush houses. Because my people became slaves to these Europeans and were forced to built the first mission in that location which again was made of willow, tule and brush, and later washed away due to a major flood. The Spanish then moved us to higher land area to another Kizh village called, Tovisvangna now known as San Gabriel to again construct what is now the San Gabriel Mission. After completion my ansestors, who were first known as Kitc or Kizh also Kichireños, were now given a new identity named Gabrieleño in honor of the San Gabriel mission. Not once did they call us “tongva”. This is the true and fact history of of the Kizh Gabrieleno. Thank you Chairman Andrew Salas Kizh Nation

  11. This is for Andy Salas. I am “SkyEagle” of the Gabrieleno Tongva San Gabriel band of Mission Indians. We are the historically accurate and officially recognized indigenous people of the Los Angeles basin & surrounding areas. We are state recognized and certified. And I’m afraid you will have to wait a long time for that apology Andy Salas for it is you and your group that owes us an apology! I will show more respect to the gentlemen/lady named “Theof” and abide by his/her non- hostile request of decorum and not use retaliatory ill mannered language. But instead use knowledge and historic fact as my response.
    Just to let you know, but the ancestors went through, if not at least three different phases of names or monikers for the whole tribal nation;
    : Over nineteen thousand years ago, my ancestors called themselves the “Piwiip’Pwii”. After one of the San Gabriel mountains( or mountain range ).
    : Several thousand years later, they started calling themselves “The Takic People”. The Takic were directly responsible for the uniformity and structuring of my ancestral language.
    : And finally, thousands of years later, we are called the Tongva. But just to note Andy Salas, my ancestors ( The Tongva ) didn’t call or refer to each other as Tongva. Technically Tongva doesn’t just mean “People of the Earth”, but also has another connotation as a human being. It would sound ridiculous if another Indian tribe would ask what tribe you hailed from and for you to respond with ‘I’m from the human tribe’. Well duh! Don’t we all?! No, the ancestors would identify themselves by the village or locale they hailed from. For example, if you hailed from the village of San Gabriel, known as “Sibang’nga” ( not Toviscangna ). You would say “Siba’vit”, which translated into English means ‘I am from the village of Sibang’nga’.
    What I’m trying to get at Andy Salas is presenting false facts and trying to rewrite history to put your group in a better connotation and higher light, not only makes you look foolish, but worst of all….. Ignorant. We of the main and true original group don’t try to proclaim that we know everything about the ancestors. Even we made some mistakes over the years. But we own up to those mistakes and try to correct them so we can learn and grow from them. We all have the right to call ourselves whatever particular moniker we wish to be identified as. This as human nature is our right, plain and simple.
    As I end this Andy Salas, you call yourself whatever you like as head of your off- shoot group. But to proclaim yourself as a ‘Chief’ is wrong! To anyone who is reading this, technically the primary and traditional way to become “Tomear” ( Tongva for ‘Chief’ ) is that you must be born from the bloodline of a Chief. It’s to be inherited, you can’t just say your a Chief, that’s wrong and very poor for your character. Oh and one last thing, we of the main and original group ask that you stop presenting “Kizh” as the true name of my ancestors. You do realize that the word or words used to identify a house is either “Kij- Kitch, or what we use today: Ki, as in a ‘door key’. The term Kizh is actually a Luiseno word, not Gabrieleno Tongva. Another fact I’d like for you to remember is another word of the ancestors, “Regidore”. This was one of the ranks used at the mission when my ancestors were either tricked or forced to be slaves there! Interestingly enough, we recently learned it was also the nomenclature, or slang term used by my ancestors to refer to a ‘traitor’! Just something I thought a Tongva word you should definitely know.

  12. Just a quick note of thanks and explanation. My name is Stephen O’Bryan post as Theof because that’s how the website was first setup. I’m sorry if it was mysterious or seemed cloaked. To be honest I thought it had all been switched over but I guess it didn’t.

    Thank you for respecting my request for civility. I understand that this is a sensitive issue and is very important to all parties involved. When I first wrote the article I thought it was important that the people who now live in Glendale as well as the greater Los Angeles area understand that there was culture and people here before the Spanish and other Europeans arrived. I had no idea that there was such controversy around the history of the First People in this area. I think that your discussions are helpful to the greater community in learning about history and culture. I appreciate everyone’s restraint in both tone and language. I hope this page is a place where children and their families will learn more about the history of the area.

    I’d like to offer the opportunity for all the parties in this thread to write an OP-ED piece that I am willing to publish as a stand alone article on Urban Toot. If you are civil and have documentation cited I am willing to publish it on this site. I feel like many voices have already been heard on this thread that have strong facts and knowledge (more than I do) and it would be good to share with the world. Just let me know if anyone is interested.

  13. Again, this for Andy Salas of the Kizh

    Before I begin, I’d like to take the time to personally thank Mr. Stephan O’Bryan, aka “Theof”. I hope I didn’t impugn or besmerch your good name in any way shape or form. I shall endeavor to continue with manners & decorum in order to use this blog. I also must apologize for the overwhelming response you received when this story was first written. But you must understand that to say this is a sensitive issue is an understatement! We of the “The Gabrieleno Tongva San Gabriel band of Mission Indians” have had to deal with these people for close to two decades. At first we didn’t make that much of an issue when they broke off from us years ago. But when they started to print and spread mistruths and false facts as historic fact. There was no reconciling or forgiving, they are beyond forgiveness and redemption. But rather than requite there ignorance with petty name calling, I’ll again and always respond with knowledge- truth and class.
    To the Kizh,
    Just to let you know, if you want to call yourself Kizh, be my guest. But to tell and mislead the public by saying that’s what the ancestors called themselves. That’s just wrong, plain & simple! The “Hodaunasanee”, or more commonly known as ‘The Iroquois’, called themselves “People of the Long houses”. As a nation, my ancestors called themselves “TheTongva”. And I can prove it, the Los Angeles basin had two names utilized by my ancestors;
    : The first and most common name is “Tovangaar”
    : The second being “Tongvagaar”
    There was no misinterpretation with “Miriam C. Hart- Harrington” , or any other anthropologists. The name of my ancestors has and will always be “Tongva”, get use to it.

  14. This is for SG tongva and with respect to Mr O Bryan I would like to respond
    I believe this is what you were referring to as to what you stated about being a chief directly through blood . Well here it is my (Direct) great great great grandfather Nicolas Jose of the village of “Siba” and if you need proof that he is my direct grand father contact Dr Hackel or Lorraine Escobar who works as a genealogist for all Native American Indians of Southern Califorinia and who prepares them for OFA Office of Fedeal Acknowlegdment. And who also uncovered impostor indians through out southern Califorinia tribal territories including many who use this term tongva. i would like to correct one other thing were the mission sets today is “Tovisvangna ” and if you need more proof that my statement is true, walk into the Mission itself and ask to read the book of confirmations . There you will see it identifies the location of where the mission sets today as Tovisvangna . If you like come visit me and I will give you a oral history lesson you will never forget true and factual and For those who today call themselves tongva are those same individuals who learned my direct family history and splintered off our direct tribe of San Gabriel wanting to force that distorted name tongva on us. SG tongva you are new to all this you have no ideal what happened in the past I do nor are you of our people as far as a Native Gabrieleño . From what I understand you are a entertainer or socalled dancer so I recomend you keep it that way and stay out of tribal issues and spreading false history . Thank you for your response Chairman Andy Salas
    Nicolás José (1748-

    A San Gabriel Indian, Nicolas Jose was a man of great power and control as well as a good leader. He was among other natives who worked with the Spanish and then turned against them. On September 27, 1774, twenty-six year old Nicolás José was baptized by Father Pablo Joseph de Mugartegui at the San Gabriel Mission. Nicolas was only the third adult male Gabrielino to be baptized at the mission. There are no historical records revealing if Nicolas had exercised any religious or political authority in his home of Sibapet (Hackel 2003).

    However, soon after baptism, Nicolas exercised his leadership and power in many ways. He became one of the first Indians to serve as a Gabrielino marriage witness and the only Gabrielino to serve as a godparent for the child of a Baja California Indian.

    One remarkable achievement was in 1778-1779; Nicolas was the mission’s first alcalde. However, a turn of events took place when according to Father Serra, Nicolas provided “women to as many soldiers as asked for them” (Hackel 2005: 263). Nicolas was punished, and at this point in time, he stopped working with the Spanish and would soon work against them. According to Hackel, Nicolas’s punishment may have been the reason for him as well as other Indians to plot a rebellion which would take place in 1785 (2005: 263).

    It is important to note that although Nicolas was baptized and participated in Catholic sacrament administration at the mission, he did not forget that he was a Gabrielino. He still participated in their dances, celebrations, and rituals. This dual life ended in 1785 when he organized the rebellion.

    Micro-historians consider Nicolas a “normal exception” who left a visible trace in the historical records of Native Americans (Hackel 2005: 266). He was one of only a few Indians who led a rebellion in Colonial California against their own mission. The “normality” of the exception refers to the duality of life hat he led. He meshed his life at the mission as well as his Gabrielino identity together.

    Nicolas Jose’s role in the rebellion led to his banishment from San Gabriel, and he had to suffer through six years at the presidio of San Francisco doing labor work. Although Nicolas was only trying to protect his own people, his connection to them and the culture they shared was cut off completely through his banishment and separation from his homeland.

    Steven W. Hackel, “Sources of Rebellion: Indian Testimony and the Mission San Gabriel Uprising of 1785,” The American Society of Ethnohistory, 2003.

    Steven W. Hackel, Children of Coyote, Missionaries of St. Francis, The University of North Carolina Press, 2005.

    –Francesca Vaccaro, June 2006

  15. To SG tongva
    We can go on for days back and fourth and still you will not Understand . There is a big difference between you and i SGTongva, the difference is you are learning my history ” BUT I LIVE IT IM IT”. Although for now I would like to say to all those who visit this site and to Mr OBryan forgive me if I have caused any disrespect to you or your viewers . My intentions are always good , just trying to set the record straight for those who continue to destort my history . Thank you Chairman Andrew Salas www. Gabrielenoindians.org

  16. This also is for Sky sparrel in regards to your other statement you mentioned about there was NO misinterpretation of Merium C Hart Notes. The following information you can also find in the Huntington Library Archives . Please read down below where it states Miriam C Harts notes are considered inadequate . This will help you in the future from continuing your teaching of distorted history.

    {Begin page no. 5}

    clippings in the Bancroft Library. The Bancroft Library clippings are in the HayesCollection, Mission Book, Vol. I, No. 206, and I have also used these as the basis for the copy ofthe letters which are reprinted once more below. However, both the Ellis and Dakin reprintscontain many errors, and I have attempted here to provide an exact transcription of the letters asthey were printed in 1852. The Star was not always clearly printed, and careless copying has caused errors which are herecorrected.
    In order to make the content of Reid’s letters a little more meaningful I have added some endnotes (indicated in the text by super numbers) which the reader may find of interest. Reid uses alarge number of words in the Gabrielino language, and these are frequently compared in the notesto the version of Gabrielino which was recorded by C. Hart Merriam from a Gabrielino woman,Mrs. J. V. Rosemyre, at Bakersfield, California, in October, 1903. Mrs. Rosemyre was born atSan Gabriel, probably just about the time of Hugo Reid’s death. Her mother was a Gabrielino andher father a Serrano. Merriam’s method of phonetic recording is now considered quiteinadequate, but its use of diacritical marks follows that in Webster’s dictionary and one can atleast reconstruct the approximate original of what the words sounded like to him.

  17. Mr sky eagle
    Here is another good catch for you and the viewers “proof” that there was no such thing or tribe called tongva. Now keep in mind this statement comes from one of those individuals ( who was a teacher at Cal State long beach)I mentioned early on who tried to force that name on us the direct decesendants of the Kizh (kitc) Nation Gabrieleño Band of Mission Indians of San Gabriel. Because these individuals refuse to show proof who they were, then later splintered off using that distorted name “tongva” and starting there own organization now called tongva which now Mathew sky eagle you belong to.
    Her Name Cindi Alvitre and her words in this interview : ”

    “The name Tongva is what we’ve chosen to use in the present,” which means “people of the Earth,” Alvitre said in her office one day, early last fall semester. “There was no one tribe called ‘Tongva.’”

    http://www.digmagonline.com/1405/culture/is-csulb-really-on-an-indian-burial-ground/

    So anyways good luck for now and if the viewers want to know more about the truth of the native indigidous people of the Los Angeles Basin feel free to check us out at http://www.gabrielenoindians.org cause the truth will set you free………

  18. Sky eagle
    To educate you even more I will leave this for you to read. Read page 127 it quotes the name tonvey, tongva, tonve is postcontact or coinage based on the village at the san Gabriel Mission. That name of that village my friend was ” Tovisvangna ” and because Miriam C Hart could not pronounce what he had heard he wrote short hand tonvey. Shevaanga or siba also simbanga was located in san Gabriel but near La Mision Vieja means the old mission district where the first Mission was constructed then later wiped out because of the flood . Again go to the Mission today read books of confirmation it will tell you where the mission san Gabriel sets today is Tovisvangna . Aho
    DON’T FORGET TO READ PAGE 127 BELOW

    http://books.google.com/books?id=MX1RtDR_gC0C&pg=PA312&lpg=PA312&dq=california+indian+languages+by+victor+golla++the+word+tongva+was+post+coinage+to+a+village+near+the+san+gabriel+mission&source=bl&ots=rrVSgVrHfs&sig=PcDbUqexzppAwjdR1LhMHrBQ20g&hl=en&sa=X&ei=_r4QU651jPqgBK-1gqgP&ved=0CA0Q6AEwAQ

  19. To Andy Salas

    I will try to carefully word this segment without somewhat….. impugning your integrity. It seems Andy Salas that there is no end to you and your….. brethren’s denial of the truth! Forgive me for digressing but, did you write ( or try to write ) “Sky Sparrow” when you typed out ‘sky sparrel’? Just curious, you really showed me. Next time, you might wanna try using ‘sky chicken’, or ‘sky pigeon’ instead. Many of your deluded followers have you used that on me before, and if you’ll notice. I left the proper spelling of both names, so when you try to besmirch my name again, you can at least spell it correctly.

  20. To whom it may concern

    I believe there has been a misconstruing of facts ( once again ). I first must address the individual who identifies himself as “S.G. Tongva”. Thank you for your continuing support of “The Gabrieleno Tongva San Gabriel band of Mission Indians”. Again, we are the only officially certified group recognized by the ‘Indian Heritage commission’, if not the state of California. All who oppose are traitors, plain & simple! I must admit that I truly enjoyed reading your blog, I found your insight and knowledge not only factual, but your opinions and written verse quite….. interesting if not amusing. But on a more serious note, I must ask that you stay as far away from this subject as possible. The Salas/Kizh group are notoriously known to threaten and harass their victims.
    And on a further note, S. G. Tongva is not affiliated with “The Gabrieleno Tongva San Gabriel band of Mission Indians” in any way shape or form. He is not an active member, nor is he a member of our dancers. Believe me, I think I’d remember an individual with that particular type of nomenclature and spoken verse.
    No, I must ask Andy Salas, or any other members of the traitor groups to please address me and only me.
    And speaking of Andy Salas, I ask only of this. Tell me within the Indian community, does the name “Bud Bundy” sound familiar?!

  21. mr eagle or socalled sky eagle (what ever)
    It doesn’t bother me one bit the names you call me , or what you think of me the truth of the matter is I’m right and your wrong.And for you and your group to continue to use false accusations claiming the Salas Tribe of harassing or threating people is just another way for you or your groupies to show ” the truth hurts” and is another way of trying to keep all generations from knowing the truth. Also please keep in mind we are not a “group” what we are is a ” legend Tribe ” direct descendants of the first inhabitants of the Los Angeles basin and who can prove who we are. We don’t have to run around in used car Sammy’s , artificial chicken feathers and look like the Flintstone family to prove ourselves nor do we charge for our knowledge ” We do it all for free and from the heart”. So please if you need some knowledge about the history of the Native indigidous people of this exact area or of what is now called Los Angeles basin ” call a true Native descendant Call me”. Oh and by the way your statement of the State of California Recognizing the tongva “Your wrong again” the state recognized the ” Gabrielino” with out the false term of tongva. It was the city of San Gabriel who mistakenly recognized the tongva, but eventually they are going to correct it. Chairman Andrew Salas ( bud bundy)

    Below more truth and fact:
    State Recognizes the Gabrielino.

    http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/93-94/bill/asm/ab_0051-0100/ajr_96_bill_940913_chaptered

  22. This is for sky eagle :
    This definition fits you perfect , and will be the last response from me to you. I just don’t have time to play with you my time is valuable in regards of educating the present and future generations of the truth.

    The definition of Denial ( sky eagle is one who is living proof)
    Denial is probably one of the best known defense mechanisms, used often to describe situations in which people seem unable to face reality or admit an obvious truth (i.e. “He’s in denial.”). Denial is an outright refusalto admit or recognize that something has occurred or is currently occurring.

    Denial functions to protect the ego from things that the individual cannot cope with. While this may save us from anxiety or pain, denial also requires a substantial investment of energy. Because of this, other defenses are also used to keep these unacceptable feelings from consciousness.

    In many cases, there might be overwhelming evidence that something is true, yet the person will continue to deny its existence or truth because it is too uncomfortable to face and may also make up more lies or false accusations to make that truthful person look bad.

    Denial can involve a flat out rejection of the existence of a fact or reality.

    Chairman Andrew Salas of the Kizh (Kitc ) Nation Gabrieleño Band of Mission Indians and of the Entire Los Angeles Basin. ” The Truth Will Set You Free”

  23. Ladies & Gentlemen

    I will forego my ego, unlike my learned colleague. And address the public who adhere and read this fine news blog site( before I tell them what’s coming to them ). In these past few weeks, you have seen and read the interesting, if not drama- laden and immature bantering, of myself and aforementioned individual from the previous blog( who does not deserve any mention of name or credit ).
    I must first address Mr. Steve O’Bryan, editor of “Urban Toot”. You were insightful- kind if not generous, to initiate this story of my ancestors: “The Gabrieleno Tongva San Gabriel band of Mission Indians”, when you didn’t have to. Being a descendant of the first indigineous peoples of Los Angeles and immediate surrounding areas. It’s not only my passion, but quite frankly, I believe my duty to teach- parlay and educate the populace of my ancestors and their ancient and rich history. Not to annoy and bore people with our own personal political infighting. People who actually are interested in authentic Native American culture & history and come to your website, should be afforded the opportunity to do so. And not have to put up with ridiculous and pointless name calling in the name of cultural anthropology!
    But again, I thank you so- so much for doing this story. Of course, I can’t tell you how truly sorry I am for you, and all your readers for having to endure all of this! You don’t deserve this, and most important of all, neither do your readers. You expected to pay homage and respect, as well as report on an interesting subject you believed your readers might be interested in. Not to see two grown men ridiculously bickering back & forth like children!
    To say the subject- history and culture of the “Gabrieleno Tongva” is touchy, is a friggin understatement! To you Mr. O’Bryan, and to your readers, please understand that contrary to belief. My ancestors never had rivals or ‘splinters’ centuries ago. But rather, lived in peace & harmony. The Gabrieleno Tongva were a peaceful people and no enemies outside our nation. Our beloved neighbors and good & honored friends;
    : The Chumash;
    : The Kitanemuk;
    : The Ajachemen ( The “Juaneno Indians” of San Juan Capistrano Mission );
    : The Serrano;
    : The Cahuilla;
    : The Cupa ( The Cupeno );
    : The Tataviam ( The “Fernadeno Indians” of San Fernando Mission );
    : and the Kumeyaay ( The “Diegueno Indians” of San Diego Mission ).
    All of these neighboring tribes we traded with. You can’t trade with someone and fight them at the same time.
    My predecessors have tried to gain federal recognition from the U.S. Government since well before I was born! Before our honorable current Tomear ( “Chief” in Tongva ): Chief Anthony “Kwah- hosh- ah Ahun” ( Red Blood ) Morales, his predecessor and father- the late great “Chief Fred ‘Sparky’ Morales” fought the good fight for federal recognition since the 1950’s! Maybe a little sooner?! And of course, Chief Sparky had to put up with the “Regidores” ( Tongva for ‘Traitors’ ) of his generation!!! The traitor of his generation being Vera Rocha. I know- I know, something’s never change.
    I don’t know if I’ve been helpful to you Mr. O’Bryan, or to whoever has read this latest blog. So to show my impartiality,I ask the public of this. Please, don’t just pay attention to random internet blogs. Go to the bookstores, go to the libraries and look up on the subject of ‘California Indians’. Or to be more specific, on “The Gabrieleno Tongva” ( and yes, I said “Tongva”, no matter what our traitors keep trying to dupe you with that fake Kizh garbage ), these books can explain a lot better than I can;
    : “The Tongva” by Jack S. Williams;
    : “The First Angelenos”
    : “O’ My Ancestors” , both by Dr. William McCauley
    We have done nothing to provoke or incur there wrath, other than be the authentically historic certified tribe. Is why they probably first began to insult and harass us! Recently, they actually had the audacity to besmirch our honorable tribal chief by placing his picture on their sordid excuse of a website. How their not afraid of a lawsuit is beyond me, but as the old saying goes; “You reap, what you sow”!
    Which is why I ask the public of this, and believe me it pains me so for saying it. I ask to please, go to them( our traitor groups ), start by going to the Salas’s, or the Kizh. Go to them- talk to them, ask them these questions. The history of their ( supposed ) tribe, do they know their cultural dances. Or more importantly….. do they even know their ancestors language?! By the way, that incessant word of “Aho” they’re infamously known for saying over & over again? Other California Indian tribes use, not the Tongva!!!!
    : There website- Gabrielinoindians.com
    After that, I ask for you to please come to us. Ask these same questions, and more importantly, questions of your own! You may contact us at our website;
    : http://WWW.gabrieltongva.com/tribalcouncil.htm
    Please don’t misconstrue my intentions. I’m not trying to come off by saying that ‘we are the pure, and they’re the unsure’. I ask for you to keep an open mind & heart. And above all else, decide for yourself.
    Teh’Hoveet ( Thank you )

  24. To whom it may concern

    I must apologize, this follow up is to correct a few things mislabeled. For starters, I mistakenly mispelled our website. I meant to write;
    http://WWW.gabrielenotongva.com/tribalcouncil.htm
    Our traitors website I believe is actually;
    http://WWW.gabrielinoindians.net
    Also mentioned in my last blog, our language. The Gabrieleno Tongva language is based upon the “Uto- Aztecan” dialect. Similar to how French- Italian- Spanish and Portuguese are based on Latin. Here are some of our words;
    BASIC GREETINGS-
    English Tongva
    Hello. Meyiha
    //: Just to note, in Tongva. There’s no such word for goodbye in our language. Goodbyes we believe are permanent, hence we use the term ‘Farewell’. Or ‘Until next we meet’.
    Good bye/Farewell Yamohene//: When someone says Yamohene to you, you immediately respond with “May- ya”. A farewell in response.
    How are you. Ah-va- aha
    Alright. Teh- Hep- ko
    This next word is quite unusual. It’s a synonym with multiple different meanings. The way you use it depends upon the particular context of speech/conversation you would be engaged in.
    Thank you. Teh’Hoveet
    You’re welcome. Teh’Hoveet
    Please. Teh’Hoveet
    Great. Teh’Hoveet,etc.
    Chief. Tomear
    Female Chief. Manisar
    Shaman. Ah- hoov-ar- ree- doot
    Warrior. Ma- hey
    Artist. Ay-si- nesh
    One. Puku
    Two. Wehey
    Three. Pah’hey
    Four. Wah’cha
    And if you’ll notice, there’s no mention whatsoever with that word ‘aho’! Other so. Californian tribes use that word, not us- NEVER US!!!!
    One last thing, yes. We still are honored to this day by being invited at various events to perform our dances & songs. And we honor our ancestors by wearing regalia ( the clothing of our ancestors ), the leathers- furs- feathers from long ago. Just to note, many of our brother & sister tribes do the same thing. From that arrogant- rude- insensitive and ignorant remark made previously by one of the salas thugs, he failed to realize that trying to insult me. He insulted other Native Americans, as well dishonoring himself as usual. Therefore, on behalf of the Gabrieleno Tongva nation, I hereby deeply and profoundly apologize for those thugs. We of the “Gabrieleno Tongva San Gabriel band of Mission Indians” are the only legitimate historically recognized tribe of the Los Angeles & surrounding areas. The Salas/Kizh, as well as all other newly formed groups are traitors. They are not associated with us in any way shape or form. And we have nothing and want nothing to do with them!
    Teh’Hoveet ( Thank you )
    Ehkwashim: we are still here

  25. To whom it may concern

    I’ll try word this blog more carefully since the last one didn’t print & show. There was mistake when listing the websites. The first for the salas/Kizh group;
    : http://WWW.gabrielinoindians.org
    The website I meant to list was;
    : http://WWW.gabrielenotongva.com/tribalcouncil.htm

  26. To Mr.O’Bryan, aka Theof

    I thank you for the time allotted for either party involved in this story. However, I believe whatever has been added and written has been said. Due to the crass nature of our Regidores ( “Traitors” in Tongva ), I must humbly ask to please end this story as soon as possible, thank you.

  27. Just one last thing,

    I’m hoping to make this my very last blog to this website. Although there is so much more I can write, it’ll still pale in comparison to the various sources I’ve listed in previous blogs. This time instead, I’d like to ask one of the traitor groups: ‘the Kizh’, just a few questions, that’s all. They need not answer, more importantly, you the public will be witness.
    My first question goes to their ( supposed ) ‘Tomear & Ah- hoov- ar- re- doot’ ( Tongva for “Chief & Shaman”)
    Ernie Salas ( or “King Ernie” );
    : How can you call yourself a chief when traditionally, you have to be born into the bloodline of being a chief? Last I checked- your not a chief or ever will be?! Your son once said to me, that you really are passed down from Tongva ( NOT KIZH ) chiefs. From “Nicolas Jose” ( or his real name in Tongva: Nequa Kah’Kahr, “Listening Quail”, and not the Spanish moniker you strangely insist on using ) to be exact. But if that’s true, then why doesn’t the California Indian Heritage Commission recognize you? You do know that there not biased and can’t play favorites to anyone. Hence if your really legitimate, then why don’t you prove me wrong? Why aren’t you recognized by the state?! You also call yourself your newly formed groups shaman? But if your a shaman, then why do you always throw around the word ‘sin’. Funny if I recall….. the term, if not the belief is actually a white man’s, or a foreign concept. Before the dark incursion of Columbus, Indians never even knew let alone held the concept and definition of sin. A bunch of Europeans come off a some ships and start calling us sinners. And you prescribe to that….. belief? I’m also curious, years ago you once said why your group never uses regalia ( the traditional clothing: furs & leathers of my ancestors ) is because you don’t believe in “….. Naked Indians running around!” But if you would only do your history, my ancestors; “The Tongva” used various different furs & leathers during the fall & winter months. But in the summer months, they went around naked. You see, Europeans brought the concept and belief of shame here, not my ancestors. And one last thing, tell me of this quote you once said ‘rings a bell’,
    “In this world, you must lie & cheat”. Quoted by King Ernie, 1996, just curious?
    The second question goes to their vice- chairman, Nadine ( or “Pig Woman” )
    : When you and the rest of your thugs confronted ( and threatened ) me at the 2013 car show at the San Gabriel Mission, you commented on my regalia worn there? Yet none of your brethren there wore any regalia of their own? Of course you wore your perennial looking Indian dress. The ugly dark brown and wide one. The same one you wear over and over and over and over again! Second, you and the rest of the traitors keep utilizing that incessant word ‘Aho’!!! You do realize that word is not even Gabrieleno Tongva ( and yes, I said TONGVA, NOT KIZH ) . It’s actually, a Luiseno word!! If you have to be traitors, at least do it the right way. We say Teh’Hoveet, not AHO!!! Just a thought.
    And last but not least, this last question goes to the chairman of the Kizh, Andy Salas ( more commonly known as “Bud Bundy” )
    : You recently said a very crass- rude- immature and worst of all, ignorant remark about our regalia. These were your exact words I quote, “….. we don’t have to run around in used car Sammy’s ( which by the way genius, the proper spelling is ‘Shammy’ ) and artificial chicken feathers, looking like the Flintstone family nor do we have to prove to ourselves and charge for our knowledge.” Just a little f. Y. I., contrary to popular belief, we don’t charge either for our appearances, nor for our knowledge. And just to let you know, when you tried to insult me, you instead insulted, impugned if not berated & besmirched other Native American tribal nations who actually use real authentic regalia!!! Shame on you, shame on all of you!!! If your group ( supposedly ) adheres to the traditions of my ancestors ( which I don’t believe ), then why do you always go out in those ridiculous ribbon shirts?! I mean when you do that, you look real authentic. I’m sure the ancestors wore ribbon shirts all the time, you really show us. And last but not least, let’s talk about integrity, shall we?! When you go out and do your little protest, there’s always someone taping it for either the news, or YouTube?! Supposedly your not paid, but whenever there’s a camera rolling, you guys are there but we’re not? And your actually questioning our integrity & class?! And that’s not including you effusively worming and kissing derrière on any of the dig sites! Your always found speaking Spanish, but not one single word of Gabrieleno Tongva ( NOT KIZH ), and yet your the legit group?! Don’t worry….. you don’t have to answer me. Your right and we’re always wrong ( notice by the way, ‘wrong’ is spelled with a ‘w’ ), remember? Just curious.

    “SkyEagle” ( Tukupar Ashuwoot )
    Gabrieleno Tongva San Gabriel band of Mission Indians
    ‘Pride, Honor & Survivors’

  28. Meyiha
    I shall preface this response to you, the public. More than to my hated enemies! First; to Mr. Stephan ‘Theoff’ O’Bryan….. As stated previously. I thank you for this story. I always find it very flattering and gratifying for anyone to want. Or wish to learn about the first indigenous people of Los Angeles, and surrounding areas. But to reiterate, I ask, if not implore you sir to please — please take down this story and commentary blog immediately!!!! As you can see, all it continues to do is bring and attract bullies, thugs and worst of all; the ignorant! Which brings to the main point of this next commentary of mine. I know I said in a previous blog about it being my last comment. Therefore, I deeply apologize. But as the saying goes, “Our friends teach us what we can do….. Our enemies show us what we must do!”; Goethe
    This is to that arrogant little punk a*^hole, Andy Salas!!!! Or more commonly known to the Native American community as “Bud Bundy”!!! Because he’s a short – stunted little troll of man!! And apparently above all else, an ignorant coward! I don’t care what dirt you try to dig up on me Bud Bundy, because it only goes to show and prove of how deeply and patheticly disturbed you and the rest of your ignorant kind really are!!! But when you mess with my family, that’s when you mess with me!!! And as far as your fake a+* kizh group’s so called genealogist; Lorraine Escobar!! Oh please! ‘Rain cloud’ my a=^!!! Her Tongva name is “Stupid A*#”!!!! She’s no genealogist, she’s more like a professional stalker!!! And completely incompetent to say the least!! I know this for a fact, all the public has to do is ask her previous clients;
    : The Yokuts;
    : and the Tataviam, etc.
    They will tell of just how inept that idiot really is!!! So much so, she only went back so far to besmirch and impugn my good name. Not the truth and whole truth!!! Which means Bud Bundy, I – know – something – you – don’t – know. That bulls*^t report on my families lineage? In the past, I’ve accused you of being greedy and ignorant. To me, ignorance, is the worst thing anyone could be called. But with you and ‘Stupid A*^’, by the ‘Great Spirit’! You aren’t just the epitome of barrio trash! You aren’t just the living breathing definition of ‘human garbage’! I believe you are deeply disturbed!!! And I really truly believe in your avarice and petty desperation, you and the rest of your family. Oh hell, the rest of your kind….. I believe you forgot what it’s like to be human.
    Go ahead and retort, blah – blah – blah back any little comeback you wish like the immature little child you really are! It’s no longer just contempt and hatred I feel for you and your….. Brethren! I have a new feeling now for you — pity.

    SkyEagle
    Gabrieleno Tongva

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